Beautiful Hypans

[SilverDub]

Hello,

Forgive me I don;t speak your language, my wife doe's a little but she has gone to bed.

Hi guys,

A supplier of mine has sent me these photo's of some Hypans he has recently acquired. I already know alot about these including the exact catch location, depth ancd current of the water. so I have a pretty good idea what they are I just wanted to throw them out to you guys to see if anyone has there ID glasses :love: on......

They were all caught together, so don't be distracted by the variation of patterning.












It has taken over 5mths to source these little Hypans, and they are nearly here I know lots of people have been waiting for them.

Please post your thoughts......I know that when I opened these pictures today my heart and tummy started to doing somersaults.

PM me........;-0

[Sunshine]

Hello SilverDub, (ist that your real name?)

for me, they look like L399/L400. I still only have two of the L399 with a similar look - a lot of white and less black color.
The one of them looked like a L250 when it was younger.


Regards

Adrian

[SilverDub]

Hi Adrian,

My name is Alan, nice to meet you.

Sourcing these fish has taken 5-6 months of stress and trust. They were all caught in the Rio Iriri (about 24hrs) down river from the Xingu/Iriri mouth, initially they were looking for L173 for me but it seems they have found L236 instead. For me the eye and caudal fin are the best clues.

L250 has been suggested by many people regarding the fish in small image (the shot directly above is the same fish) we will see. Later today I will receive many more pictures of the fish as these ones are only of the same 6-7 fish. I will be getting daily updates from my supplier on there progress and preperation for shipping.

Thanks for your feedback.

Alan

[Jenne]

Hello,

for me is also the L399/L400. They look pretty, but for me definitely no L236, L173 or L250, independently of the indication of the catch place.

Greeting Jens

[Sunshine]

Hi Alan,

nice to meet you.
Please pay attention, because there are a lot of people in the world (I know one in Germany) who sell beautiful beautiful L399/L400 as L173, L236 or L250 for a lot of money.
Are you sure, they are from the Rio Iriri? From where do you know that?
The caudals from my L399 look the same, so in my opinion this is not a distinctive feature.

Greetings

Adrian

[SilverDub]

Thanks,

Basically I have instigated the process and receiving them within 10 days all going well? They arrive at there second interim station today where they will be settled and prepared for shipping to the UK.

We can never be sure until we have them and even then there will always be conflict of opinion.

Either way these are the most exciting plec to come out of SA in a long time. Once i have them I'll update the thread and hopefully have more details of them.

Thanks for posting

[andi]

Zitat von SilverDub

Basically I have instigated the process and receiving them within 10 days all going well? They arrive at there second interim station today where they will be settled and prepared for shipping to the UK.

... do you know that it is forbidden to bring them out of brazil, even the catching and the transport in Brazil is prohibited by imprisonment and high fines?
I can't believe that your fish a reach europe, if they weren't smuggled.
I don't know if this is the right way to behave the Brazilian Administration!

[Stefan H.]

Hi,

Zitat von andi

... do you know that it is forbidden to bring them out of brazil, even the catching and the transport in Brazil is prohibited by imprisonment and high fines?
I can't believe that your fish a reach europe, if they weren't smuggled.
I don't know if this is the right way to behave the Brazilian Administration!

that might be the real reason for some high pricing catfishes. But the common customer needs a more believable reason to be willing to pay a high price for some (beautiful) vermicular lined catfishes. Let's call this reason L236

no offense meant

Stefan

[SilverDub]

Sorry I'm confused. Are my posts offending anyone? If they are I'll happily leave.

With regards to 'the ban' I am doing nothing illegal, neither is my supplier. The only person breaking any law is the person that transfers or is responsible for the transfer across the Brazilian boarder. I have no idea how that happens, or who does it I dont speak portuguese or spanish so cannot communicate with the natives.

Okay the Loricadae ban in Brazil is a local ban which is restricted to the brazilian boarders. I have checked with British authorities and they gave me that explanation I am free to bring them in.

Where there is demand there will be supply, usually these fish are destined for the far east never do reaching european shores, I have been watching the brazilian hydro electric dam projects and the Xingu dam will start to be built within the next decade. Meaning that everything down river will become drought ridden wasteland and once that happens in move the cattle. Many of our truelly beloved fish will be lost to for economic growth. In my opinion these fish should be exported as there are many gifted aquarits that could easily form breeding projects to secure the long term survival of many species. If only zoological societies would recognise there plight and help us by throwing there weight around.

The scenario - one Brazilian Governing Body (IBAMA) bans exports on the grounds of scientific research, stating that these fish maybe harvested for the ornamental trade before they are scientifically identified. Another much larger governing body is planning to build an enormous hydro-electric dam which will effectively turn the tap off on the mighty Rio Xingu and will affect most of its tributaries all wild life fish and fauna and native tribes people.

I am sure that this topic must have been discussed in great detail on this and other German forums, you guys are a nation of gifted and dedicated fish enthusists.

My arguement is "what is the point in scientifically identifying a species if it will soon be extinct" that will happen, look on Google earth there is some some huge equipment being moved into that area of jungle already.

Thanks stefan, I think your post is supportive, they are beautiful looking creatures and I cannot wait to receive them. I already have serious collectors/breeders in the UK and Germany waiting for there groups.

Would anyone mind if I continued updating this thread? I don;t want to upset anyone or get involved with arguement/discussion about the ban.

Alan

[Stefan H.]

Hi Alan,

Your posts aren't offending anyone. Your intention is well-meant, but anybody should respect the brasilian law. I think the point is, do you have observed the catch of the catfishes? Who can assure the fishing area? Who has identified the L-number on site and does this person have a reliable reputation? I guess even the most experienced L-catfish expert in Germany, Ingo Seidel, can't verify the correct L-number with these pictures. I want to say, no reliable identification, no L-number. Just my 2 cents.

Stefan